Presumably because of this page, the CA-List moderators are now consistantly removing the URL to my page from any messages I post. It seems that not only do they wish to continue with their small minded games, but they also want to prevent people from finding out what they're doing.
>keep the forum as unnregulated as possible. The moderators do a fantastic job of this, >letting some threads go, and kind of directing the topic along the lines of 'canard'. I disagree. The "moderators" consistently DIRECT the topics by permitting one side of an argument while censoring opposing views. On my web site at http://kgarden.com/cozy/calist.htm I have copies of many messages which simply disappeared One of the topics the moderators control is discussion of this practice itself. As evidence to those who receive this message direct - let's see if it posts on the public forum.This message arrived in the public list. Either it slipped through the net, or the ca list is changing. I sincerely hope the latter is true. I would like to know which. In the meantime, I suggest that members continue to pressure the operators to stop all prior vetting of messages. Given the above, what follows may refer to a past problem. I sincerely hope so.
[Later note:] In September '01 I posted a innocuous comment to the ca-list noting that the list seemed to be changing and encouraging people to start posting again. I was thanked (in private) by what can only be described as a vicious diatribe from the moderator. He used words like venom and hate in his three paragraph "rant". I considered publishing his message, but reconsidered. It was sent in private, and I dont think anything can be gained by exposing the anger and, yes, hate, that the moderators of ca-list seem to have bottled up inside.
Let me be clear. I have no interest in taking over or controlling the ca-list, and I harbor no animosity towards those that run it. I don't respect their ideals, but I'm certainly don't have any anger towards them. Life's too short to get angry about something so trivial. This is not an issue I give any "mental space" to, or care very much about. It's just that, when I see something wrong, I try to fix it. I hope that, eventually, these guys will relax and get a life.
Jim Sower said it best:
But not nearly as serious an impediment as outright, zealous
censorship and the systematic suppression of views contrary
to those of the moderator.
... not so much about alternative
engines themselves as the slanted, unsupported and
dysfunctional arguments made against them. I was pointing
out that some folks do not apply the same standards of
credibility to their own arguments as they do to their
adversaries' arguments, and that these practices lack
intellectual honesty and are an impediment to honest
discourse and the advancement of knowlege.
But not nearly as serious an impediment as outright, zealous censorship and the systematic suppression of views contrary to those of the moderator.
In addition, the moderators supress discussion about the censorship itself. I'ts hard to believe that people are getting away with this kind of stuff in today's America. I hope these guys enjoy their power while they have it. I don't think this kind of bull.... will be tolerated for long, especially if members do something about it instead of ignoring it.
* send a copy to this page at firstname.lastname@example.org for publication, otherwise your comments may simply be ignored.
In an effort to permit discussion about whether these "moderators" are providing a valuable service, I will open this web page to comments from other CA list members. If you have something to say on this subject, either for or against, email it to me and I will post it here. If you have a post which did not arrive in the CA list, send it to me and I will append it here. In the future, if your post to the CA List doesn't show up, post it here. Perhaps, eventually, they'll get the point.
Another alternative, of course, is to walk. There is another EZ list run by Matte Dralle of matronics which is uncensored. I don't know how heavily subscribed it is, but I've joined to find out. The discussion in the CA List seems to be somewhat circular. Not suprising if all the innovation is stamped out of it and only certain opinions are permitted. Pity. There is much knowledge in them thar hills.
You might get the impression that I'm very angry about this. Not really. I've got much more important things to do today - like finish my wheel pants. This page only took me 15 minutes to put up - but I think its time to make a stand and the 15 minutes effort was worth it. Its up to you members and sponsors now. Let's see what happens.
Oh - one other thing. It may also appear that I've got it in for Bob, Wayne and whoever else "moderates" the CA List. Not at all - in fact I highly respect their dedication, effort and good intentions. I just happen to think that their well meant efforts are misdirected and counter-productive.
Back to the serious business of building a flying machine.......
While it's an effort in the right direction, I don't think this solves the problem. People interested in alternative engines will now be surrounded by Mazda and Subaru zealots. The balance brought by dyed in the wool Lycoming people will be lost. Also, many experts in all sorts of areas have stopped bothering to submit to the CA-List. The only thing that might bring these people back is a public announcement that the censorship has stopped.
Of course, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong.
John Slade, Cozy MKIV #757